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Scientology's Crushing Defeat: What Scientology Paid $8 Million To Hide
News Type: Event — Seeded on Thu Jul 3, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
Article Source: villagevoice.comadvertisement
The jury awarded him $30 million.
It was a stunning blow to Scientology, but probably the most lasting impression that many took from the trial was the reaction of Scientologists themselves, who continued to protest at the courthouse day after day for more than a month after the verdict. Staging their demonstrations from a tent city set up across the street, the members wore pins made from ten cent coins and chanted over and over: "Not one thin dime for Wollersheim!"
It was a vow that Scientology kept for 16 years.
In 1989, an appellate court upheld the verdict but reduced Wollersheim's award to $2.5 million. But even before the original trial started, and for years afterward, various Scientology entities hit Wollersheim with other lawsuits, exhausted every possible appeal, filed mountainous legal briefs, claimed that the particular entity he had sued was broke and could never pay him, and found other ways to put off paying the money.
Even after the case had twice been to the U.S. Supreme Court and the last possible appeal had been denied, Scientology seemed determined that it would never go back on its promise to deny Wollersheim even one thin dime.
And then, suddenly, Scientology threw in the towel.
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{"commentId":2112106,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
A pretty comprehensive look at the case and some of the hierarchy of Scientology.
{"commentId":2112106,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"spiffie"}
- 6 votes
#1 - Thu Jul 3, 2008 2:32 PM EDT{"commentId":2112138,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
I wonder how much money the Scientology group put into researching alien life.
In other news, I just joined the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. ;]
{"commentId":2112138,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
- 9 votes
{"commentId":2112148,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
Yeah, but you donʼt have to pay any money for that!
{"commentId":2112148,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"spiffie"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2112309,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
That unicorn does look pretty intimidating!
{"commentId":2112309,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2112333,"authorDomain":"babin"}
...if you could see it!!
Invisible = Faith!!
{"commentId":2112333,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"babin"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2112336,"authorDomain":"Brad-Leclerc"}
you donʼt have to pay any money for that!
Yeah, the beer volcanoes and stripper factories are a nice bonus too.
{"commentId":2112336,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"Brad-Leclerc"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2112371,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Whoa !!!! arcanebliss Awesome you joined, the Flying Pasta ball even made a guest appearance in Seattle for my birthday weekend downtown, that is one bizarre looking creature. Seemed friendly. At least more then the Scientology's aliens...
{"commentId":2112371,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
- 9 votes
{"commentId":2112414,"authorDomain":"vicaxp"}
Ramen!
{"commentId":2112414,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"vicaxp"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":2112432,"authorDomain":"babin"}
Among these advanced teachings, one episode revealed to
those who reach OT level III is the story of Xenu (sometimes Xemu),
introduced as an alien ruler of the "Galactic Confederacy." According
to this story, 75 million years ago Xenu brought billions of people to
Earth in spacecraft resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them
around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then
clustered together, stuck to the bodies of the living and continue to
do this today. Hubbard called these clustered spirits "Body Thetans,"
and advanced-level Scientologists place considerable emphasis on
isolating these alien souls and neutralizing their ill effects
Chruch of Scientology is pretty out there...
You should youtube "Tom Cruise Scientology" and check out the interview
he did with them that leaked (wasn't supposed to be public). They kept
trying to pull it but the public reposted over and over...
{"commentId":2112432,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"babin"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":2112538,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
Among these advanced teachings, one episode revealed to those who reach OT level III is the story of Xenu (sometimes Xemu), introduced as an alien ruler of the "Galactic Confederacy." According to this story, 75 million years ago Xenu brought billions of people to Earth in spacecraft resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together, stuck to the bodies of the living and continue to do this today. Hubbard called these clustered spirits "Body Thetans," and advanced-level Scientologists place considerable emphasis on isolating these alien souls and neutralizing their ill effects
Chruch of Scientology is pretty out there...
You should youtube "Tom Cruise Scientology" and check out the interview
he did with them that leaked (wasn't supposed to be public). They kept
trying to pull it but the public reposted over and over...
I saw it-- he really looks insane.Its pretty amazing.very scary-- he comes across as a real madman-- a side to his personality that I never saw before.
And the whole movement is a very, very, bizarre cult.
{"commentId":2112538,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"krishna109"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":2112569,"authorDomain":"JStranahan"}
vicaxp@1.8-
Ramen!
Brilliant.
{"commentId":2112569,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"JStranahan"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2112597,"authorDomain":"babin"}
a side to his personality that I never saw before.
Minus when he freaked out about Katie Holmes on Oprah which was mocked pretty heavily.
He's just SUPER EXCITED. Must be that high level of enlightenment gained from paying 150k plus for a new COS ranking.
Audit time...
{"commentId":2112597,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"babin"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":2112474,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}
Scientology? Ha...I LOVE to poke fun at them.
L. Ron Hubbard's infamous (and regrettable) quote from his 1980 interview in Reader's Digest:
'If you really want to make a million bucks...start your own religion'. (paraphrased, but accurate quote)
Take a look at this, from last October, then return here. 'The TC Alien Invasion Shelter - Cartoons and Commentary'
"We're coming for you, Tom..."
{"commentId":2112474,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}
- 5 votes
#2 - Thu Jul 3, 2008 3:26 PM EDT{"commentId":2112685,"authorDomain":"babin"}
Funny.
They have a large office in Austin directly across from the university of Texas. I'm sure trying to recruit all the rich little mommy and daddy money. The majority of persons walk an extra 15 feet further away from that front door when walking past on the sidewalk. Place has a creepy vibe. I have yet to muster up the nerve to walk in and see what pitch they throw me. They might know I'm on to them and slip me a knock out pill.
"Free IQ test" is on the window. "Oh wow you passed, you can be level one. Sign this to get started now..."
{"commentId":2112685,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"babin"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":2113187,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
They sure do. They also kicked out long-tenant Le Fun, one of the last arcades in Austin of any respectable size. Bastards.
{"commentId":2113187,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"spiffie"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2113076,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}
He looked at me and said, Dont you ever tell a doctor, lawyer or priest anything that ever happened to you in Scientology.'"
Isn't that what child abusers say to their victims? Thanks for this story. I knew they were a loony tunes group, but it's still amazing to hear how crackers they really are. I hope this article helps others to escape from that lunatic asylum (that you pay to be in!!??).
{"commentId":2113076,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"inghar2004"}
- 5 votes
#3 - Thu Jul 3, 2008 4:47 PM EDT{"commentId":2113110,"authorDomain":"babin"}
{"commentId":2113110,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"babin"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2113728,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}
Yeah, it sounds like pretty well everyone is fair game.
{"commentId":2113728,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"inghar2004"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2113694,"authorDomain":"jfrank"}
I thought people would've turn against Scientology when they tired to wipe The Jedi out of existence.
{"commentId":2113694,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"jfrank"}
- 7 votes
#4 - Thu Jul 3, 2008 6:10 PM EDT{"commentId":2113861,"authorDomain":"bazards"}
Never underestimate the power of the Dark Side of the Force.
{"commentId":2113861,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"bazards"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":2113866,"authorDomain":"jfrank"}
the dark side clouds everything.
{"commentId":2113866,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"jfrank"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":2114816,"authorDomain":"SirThinkswaytomuch"}
Could be just my internet...
But the article pulled a Houdini...
{"commentId":2114816,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"SirThinkswaytomuch"}
- 4 votes
#5 - Thu Jul 3, 2008 9:12 PM EDT{"commentId":2114990,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}
Mine too.
{"commentId":2114990,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"wood-s"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2115202,"authorDomain":"onlynow99"}
Yes--I can see only comments, not the article.
{"commentId":2115202,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"onlynow99"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2115529,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
My guess is what that Cult always does with articles like this, they go after the site and bring it down or hijack it. The article still shows as active when you search it and it should be up, but its not there...I am waiting back for a email from them as they are good at getting back as they get stuff pulled often.
{"commentId":2115529,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":2116344,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
Iʼm really sorry about that. It was fine early today. Even the link from their homepage isn't working. Not sure whatʼs up. If you can find it, itʼs a great article.
{"commentId":2116344,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"spiffie"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2117000,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
I was able to track down the original claim at least which has now been updated some. I still have not heard from the Village Voice as far as what happened to the article and its not in any Google search I can find and not even a mention in the comments either, it just vanished which is weird.
{"commentId":2117000,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2119392,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
I was able to track down the original claim at least which has now been updated some. I still have not heard from the Village Voice as far as what happened to the article and its not in any Google search I can find and not even a mention in the comments either, it just vanished which is weird.
Wollersheim Decision
Thanks for the link-- some good information there.
Btw, I was thinking about my experience here again-- yesterday afternoon, at about 3;30 I believe it was, I followed Spiifie's link and read the Village Voice article. A short while later it "disappeared". This might have been a random technical problem-- but I wonder?
Think about it a minute-- that article is not from the last few days. All of a sudden it is seeded on NV-- and gets a blip up in traffic. Very shortly thereafter its gone!
Now, normally I'd be hesitant to mention that-- it sounds like a far-fetched and overly paranoid conspiracy theory. With most other organizations I wouldn't put any real significance on it. But with Scientology-- this sort of conspiracy is possible-- its part of a pattern of devious activity, and even more far-out attempts to suppress the truth.
I have to say that originally I had thought of Scientology as a little weird-- but basically harmless. Now its getting to seem a bit scary...
And a thank-you to Spiffie for bringing this organization to our attention..this article has piqued my curiosity. I intend to look for miore information and seed some articles when I get the chanc-- this appears to be a more important topic than I'd realized.
{"commentId":2119392,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"krishna109"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":2119766,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
The Tom Cruise Video of his rant on Scientology was a perfect example, people would post that video on YouTube or other sites and that link would be down within the hour. I would not be surprised if the cult of Scientology had something to do with keeping this one quiet also. They are pretty shady in their actions.
{"commentId":2119766,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":2119844,"authorDomain":"SirThinkswaytomuch"}
The article appears to be back up, guys.
{"commentId":2119844,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"SirThinkswaytomuch"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2120278,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
The Tom Cruise Video of his rant on Scientology was a perfect example, people would post that video on YouTube or other sites and that link would be down within the hour. I would not be surprised if the cult of Scientology had something to do with keeping this one quiet also. They are pretty shady in their actions.
Anyone who hasn't seen that video-- really should! Scientology keeps getting it pulled. But YouTube is vast-- people keep re-posting it. And, of course, there are the members of Clambake and Anonymous-- two groups dedicated to exposing Scientology. (Anonymous is a bit nutty themselves, I think-- but perhaps that's what it takes to fight an insidious and very powerful group like Scientology. )
Also, often this type of video may be posted on Google Video or Liveleak (a smaller video site)-- and there are other small sites.
{"commentId":2120278,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"krishna109"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2120306,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
It's hard to get them all pulled fronm a site with as many members as YouTube!
The "Good Guys (here are crude YouTube search results): 1. ANONYMOUS
But-- if you watch just one-- the Cruise video is a "must-see"-- the guy's nuttier than a fruitcake (an insult to innocent fruitcakes, actually!)
{"commentId":2120306,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"krishna109"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2120316,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
But-- if you watch just one-- the Cruise video is a "must-see"-- the guy's nuttier than a fruitcake (an insult to innocent fruitcakes, actually!)
Whoops-- my mistake-- got my holidays confused! Today is July 4th-- not Christmas! (I had thought it was getting to be a bit warm in here! I really should spend a lot less time on Newsvine-- get out of the house more often... :)
{"commentId":2120316,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"krishna109"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2120365,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
This one is the best :-)
{"commentId":2120365,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2121407,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
This one is the best :-)
Tom Cruise 1994 Scientology Infomercial
Yikes! But its hard to tell-- is that a real informercial-- or a spoof! (It looks authentic...but its pretty far out!)
{"commentId":2121407,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"krishna109"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2121896,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
Its a mixture of a real informercial that he did and then a little "editing" that was very well done and then he decided he did not want to do it, it get yanked all the time, I was surprised to find it actually. It was never meant for US viewing, I think it was from the Nicole Kidman Australia days.
{"commentId":2121896,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2133217,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
Got the email back finally today. It was a site problem,
Hi Tedd and thanks for contacting the Voice website.
We have resolved the page errors that you mention.
Please let us know if they still produce any errors for you.
Thanks for your patience and understanding,
webmaster at village voice
{"commentId":2133217,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2139715,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
Got the email back finally today. It was a site problem,
Hi Tedd and thanks for contacting the Voice website.
We have resolved the page errors that you mention.
Please let us know if they still produce any errors for you.
Thanks for your patience and understanding, webmaster at village voice
I suppose the moral of the story is-- if you're going to be paranoid-- check the facts first!(No-- wait a minute..doe that make sense?)
{"commentId":2139715,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"krishna109"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2114944,"authorDomain":"sylvan13"}
All you have to do is look at the Mormon religion and how it started and where it is today...
300 years from now we will be forced to watch commercials like this over and over again, "The Church of Xenu's Saints, you know, the scientologists!"
{"commentId":2114944,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"sylvan13"}
- 6 votes
#6 - Thu Jul 3, 2008 9:35 PM EDT{"commentId":2114960,"authorDomain":"sylvan13"}
One day Tom Cruise found a hat laying on the ground while riding across the prairie. He put it on and God... err i mean Xenu... talked to him. God, excuse me, Xenu would tell Tom Cruise the future and how to make boatloads of money. With his new found knowledge, Tom Cruise set off to the great Hollywoods and started his Church.
I have so much fun comparing scientologists and mormons.
heheh
{"commentId":2114960,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"sylvan13"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2115043,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}
heehee. That's a good analogy.
{"commentId":2115043,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"inghar2004"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2115947,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
comparing scientologists and mormons.
I think if I had to pick between the two, the mormons would win on that one. At least, for the most part, or at least the ones that I have meet they do tend to at least be pretty decent people and hard working and its pretty hard to beat the Mormon Tabernacle Choir for music. However, some of their idea's are just a bit "odd"....
The Scientology Cult just seems good old fashioned evil to me
{"commentId":2115947,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":2116202,"authorDomain":"ssghannah"}
In the unique state of Florida (or total confusion) in a small town called Clearwater (or at it is know Scientology Haven) the group has a bad reputation of disciplining their own by isolating them is small hotel rooms guarded around the clock and give little to drink or eat. To the point that there have been a two deaths report (who know how many more) from individuals being disciplined in this way. This sound a whole lot like the concentration camps of Nazi Germany or the Gulags of old Russia to me. Nice Religion
{"commentId":2116202,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"ssghannah"}
- 3 votes
#7 - Fri Jul 4, 2008 2:33 AM EDT{"commentId":2116308,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
Interesting it was pulled. Right after I made that comment here (#1.10, above-- I see it was at about 3:30 PM today) I went to that site and read the article-- it was still up then.Great article, btw-- very thorough, lots of details- the author said there was info that was not generally known, it seems so. I had read a little about them before, but this explained a lot more. They are nutty-- and scary. The article mentioned how they actuallly gained control over the IRS -- something I had thought was impossible! (The IRS itself is powerful--and evil as well). And they way they keep cult members under control-- and intimidate opponents.
I had also heard that they are either outlawed or severley restricted in Germany. Some people have criticized this as a lack of freedom of religion-- but it now seems this is not the case-- the Germans know what they're doing, and maybe the rest of us are being overly naive. (Of course the Germans have had a particularly bad experience with a movement that started out as a bizarre cult--and was initially laughed off as harmless by most people).
{"commentId":2116308,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"krishna109"}
- 3 votes
#8 - Fri Jul 4, 2008 3:18 AM EDT{"commentId":2116348,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
Maybe Google cache still has it. If anyone finds a link that still works, please post it.
{"commentId":2116348,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"spiffie"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2116390,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
Here's an interesting site-- I don't have time for it now but it looks pretty good. They also have what appears to be a good list of links
{"commentId":2116390,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"krishna109"}
- 2 votes
#9 - Fri Jul 4, 2008 4:15 AM EDT{"commentId":2116441,"authorDomain":"drbacon"}
Lets make up our minds. Are we Scientology bashing or Mormon bashing? At any rate I would like to add to the L. Ron Hubbard quote. If you start your own religion make sure you write your own addendum to the Bible as well to support your freakish ideas. And be sure to make up some strange name for the angel (or alian, or whatever) that gave this new revelation to you.
{"commentId":2116441,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"drbacon"}
- 2 votes
#10 - Fri Jul 4, 2008 5:01 AM EDT{"commentId":2117373,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}
Well, there's one key difference between Mormonism and Scientology, and it will probably cause Scientology to peter out after a generation or two, rather than surviving to become an established, mainstream religion. Religions that succeed usually provide their members with strong and loving communities. Early Christians were famous for taking care of their own, providing for the poor, nursing the sick, etc. Most Mormons that I've known have said much the same thing about their religion and community. Even loopy offshoots like the FLDS group obviously have a powerful sense of solidarity -- none of the young women seem to want to leave, do they?
Scientology, on the other hand, financially exploits and emotionally abuses its members, and a lot of them break away at the cost of threats, stalking and harassment. Others may well be staying out of fear. I've also known ex-Scientologists, one of whom says that when he was in the group, it was run by "Nazis," his word, not mine. He was involved in a program to "cure" cancer patients using Scientology methods to get rid of the en-grams, or whatever gobbledegook they were using. It was a cure of last resort; most of the patients had nothing to lose by trying, because they were going to die anyway. But when a lot of the patients did die, this guy was told that he had to be disciplined for failing to get results, and was for all practical purposes held prisoner in a "reeducation center" that involved utterly destroying his self-esteem. Years later, he was still a deeply messed up person.
{"commentId":2117373,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"wood-s"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2118507,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}
That is an evil org, no doubt about that.
{"commentId":2118507,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"inghar2004"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2119406,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
Well, there's one key difference between Mormonism and Scientology, and it will probably cause Scientology to peter out after a generation or two, rather than surviving to become an established, mainstream religion.
Good point-- you might be right.
Of course, I beleive that what some people said about Hitler and Naziism when it first appeared-- or at least they didn't take it seriously.(Of course it didn't die out of its own accord-- after Chamberlain's delusional leadership, Churchill finally came along--- and the avoidance of the facts ended rather quickly.
{"commentId":2119406,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"krishna109"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2116447,"authorDomain":"drbacon"}
BTW. I got about half of the article. Weird eh?
{"commentId":2116447,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"drbacon"}
- 2 votes
#11 - Fri Jul 4, 2008 5:05 AM EDT{"commentId":2116790,"authorDomain":"dungbeetlemania"}
You're lucky, I still get nothing.
{"commentId":2116790,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"dungbeetlemania"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2118601,"authorDomain":"fscott"}
I found the full article here.
{"commentId":2118601,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"fscott"}
- 3 votes
#12 - Fri Jul 4, 2008 2:23 PM EDT{"commentId":2118672,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}
I downloaded it, so we have a copy if need be:-) That David Miscavige looks like a Stepford clone to me...creeeeeeeeeeepy!
{"commentId":2118672,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"inghar2004"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2119414,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
I found the full article here.
That's great-- hoe did you find it? (I wonder-- are there any changes from the original-- and why did it suddenly disappear-- and then reappear?)
{"commentId":2119414,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"krishna109"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2119938,"authorDomain":"fscott"}
I just went directly to the Village Voice, and found the story there. The link of the story must have changed after spiffie first seeded it. If you check the original link, it differs slightly from the link I gave. I don't think it had anything to do with any Scientology plot to take it off the web - someone at the Village Voice probably screwed up.
{"commentId":2119938,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"fscott"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2119997,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
Actually Spiffies old link is now working as before, I went directly to their site Frank in comment 5.3 and could search for the title and see it and the URL, but when I went to it, all that was there, were the comments. The article was not there.
{"commentId":2119997,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2118650,"authorDomain":"lasong"}
How did Greta VanSustern become interested in being a Scientologist. I read it in her background information back in March. I was very surprised. You can check, its there.
{"commentId":2118650,"threadId":"305523","contentId":"1636280","authorDomain":"lasong"}
- 2 votes
#13 - Fri Jul 4, 2008 2:33 PM EDT{"commentId":2119420,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
How did Greta VanSustern become interested in being a Scientologist. I read it in her background information back in March. I was very surprised. You can check, its there.
Apparently they put an extremely strong focus on recruiting celebrities.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2121868,"authorDomain":"outsiderec"}
Scientology is nothing more than l ron hubbard's opinion. The LAST thing it is is a religion. It's the supreme rip off. Whatch what they do - not what they say.
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- 3 votes
#14 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 8:17 AM EDT{"commentId":2121884,"authorDomain":"outsiderec"}
They place a lot of emphasis on recruiting celebrities because 'regular' people think that celebrities are smarter than the rest of us. After, all, that's why they're celebrities. Unfortunately, that's really not the case. They provide celebrities with numerous photo ops and make them feel more influential in an area that is 'spiritual' and generally perceived as more important than acting. They figure that this is a good way to access their 'fans' and sread their controlling message.
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- 3 votes
#15 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 8:23 AM EDT{"commentId":2121996,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
They place a lot of emphasis on recruiting celebrities because 'regular' people think that celebrities are smarter than the rest of us. After, all, that's why they're celebrities. Unfortunately, that's really not the case.
From most of the stories I've heard about celebrities lately-- I'm beginning to wonder if many of them are less intelligent than most of us!
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- 6 votes
{"commentId":2122033,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
On the average I would say far less common sense. At least the current crop does. There are a few exceptions to that rule.
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- 5 votes
{"commentId":2123438,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
On the average I would say far less common sense. At least the current crop does. There are a few exceptions to that rule.
That's a more accurate word-- lack of "common sense". And I definitely agree-- there are certainly exceptions. But it seems that there are really an unuisually large number who are...well, who seem to be excessively lacking in common sense. It sees that this is more true than it was many years ago-- but I wonder-- maybe this was always this case, and my memory is inaccurate. Has it changed-- or have my perceptions changed? I don't know. However-- Tom Cruise does indeed seem to be one rather strange individual!
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2123457,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}
regular' people think that celebrities are smarter than the rest of us.
All they have to do is watch Celebrity Jeopardy to see otherwise. Have you heard the questions they ask those folks, in comparison to the ones they ask 'the rest of us'?
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":2123670,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
Nah they don't really do that......
And the next question is for: Pamela Anderson, Do you think the Sun is bright ?
PA-oh my I never thought about that, let me call my producer
And Now for Contestant Normal Person: What is the Half Life of Caesium-137 and what are the most common 7 minor actinides of this ?
gladbutterfly-umm the 7 actinides would be neptunium, americium, curium, berkelium, californium, einsteinium, and fermium and the half life of CS-137 is uh 30.22 years.Beep Beep Beep Wrong !!!!!......Half Life of CS-137 is 30.23 years
Pamela Anderson is the winner !!!
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- 7 votes
{"commentId":2125873,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
Nah they don't really do that......
And the next question is for: Pamela Anderson, Do you think the Sun is bright ?
PA-oh my I never thought about that, let me call my producer
And Now for Contestant Normal Person: What is the Half Life of Caesium-137 and what are the most common 7 minor actinides of this ?
gladbutterfly-umm the 7 actinides would be neptunium, americium, curium, berkelium, californium, einsteinium, and fermium and the half life of CS-137 is uh 30.22 years.
Beep Beep Beep Wrong !!!!!......Half Life of CS-137 is 30.23 years
Pamela Anderson is the winner !!!
I had forgotten this video-- its a "must-see"! If not for this marvelous video (its quite inspiring) I would have agree on Pamela Anderson.
However-- this women gives Anderson some stiff competition! (You may have seen it before-- it was quite popular for a while):Miss Teen USA 2007
(I believe that as a result of that contest, she has gotten a position as a foreign policy advisor in the gov't)
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2125888,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
Beep Beep Beep Wrong !!!!!......Half Life of CS-137 is 30.23 years
@!$%#-- I coulda sworn it was 30.21!
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2140020,"authorDomain":"drbacon"}
Actually it's 30.235 but who's counting?
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- 4 votes
#16 - Tue Jul 8, 2008 5:35 AM EDT{"commentId":7299383,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
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- 2 votes
#17 - Tue May 26, 2009 10:54 PM EDT{"commentId":7302246,"authorDomain":"swornfuk"}
I've read a few of the Mission Earth books (up to 4 of 10) and their pretty good fiction. Sounds like ol' L.Ron thinks he is Loombar Hiist. Actually it sounds more like L.Ron started believing his own writings. (Don't worry, I'm not going to turn into a Scientologist on y'all, I'll just continue being an ass.)
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- 1 vote
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